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6月26日 Q&A with Cheryl from 'Pirate Master'So yesterday I got a chance to chat with Cheryl, the most recent person to be set adrift on "Pirate Master," and I have to say she seemed much more pleasant than I would have guessed from watching the show. Read on to get her insights on her experience. The plan, by the way, is for me to regularly be interviewing participants as they leave that show. So if you would like to ask them questions, e-mail me using the link at the right and I'll see if I can fit them in.
MSN: So Cheryl, I'm sorry in a way to see you gone from "Pirate Master."
Cheryl: You're sorry? Sheesh. I'm sorry.
MSN: What made you want to participate in the first place?
Cheryl: Well originally it was "Survivor" I tried out for and I didn't make that. And they called me and told me about the new show and said I'd be a good candidate for "Pirate Master." The more I found out about it, the treasure hunting, the more athletic part of it, the ship part of it, that just drew my attention. There isn't any activity that I won't do that's physical. I just love it. That's what makes me tick.
MSN: So how much sailing experience did you have prior to being on the show?
Cheryl: Nada. Zippo. Nothing.
MSN: How did you make the adjustment to being part of this pirate crew? Cheryl: You know, when I found out I was going to go, I started meeting with a Navy SEAL, some people who had boats. I started learning about boats. I read about boats. And I'm just generally a quick learner. You show me how to do it and I'll do it. It wasn't that big of a deal for me.
MSN: So what was it like being on the ship?
Cheryl: What was it like? Goodness. You know, I try to explain it to people, and you feel every emotion possible. You're in close quarters. They're not the best quarters. They smell. There's 15 other people on there that you may or may not like, who you didn't know before. You're doing things. You don't know what to expect. You're doing fun things. You're doing things that make you sad. Every emotion possible, I felt. It was just a real life learning experience for me.
MSN: What was the best part, do you think, of your time on "Pirate Master"?
Cheryl: Well, I think the two things that stand out were winning the first time, winning the first treasure, and being the first officer. The first to do anything is always great, but probably the most important thing of it all is I made a couple friends I'll have for life.
MSN: Like who would you consider in that category?
Cheryl: That would be Joy and J.D. (Joe Don.) MSN: At the end of the time, how much did you end up winning on the show?
Cheryl: As I was cut adrift, I think it was $11,200-something. MSN: So in a way, it's better you got on this show rather than "Survivor" because if you had been voted out on "Survivor" this early, you would have had not much of anything, right?
Cheryl: That I don't really know. I don't know the comparison. I just know after being on "Pirate Master" there was no way I could have dealt with "Survivor." It's not physical enough for me. MSN: Why wouldn't you have been able to deal with "Survivor"?
Cheryl: From my perspective, "Survivor" is basically hanging out, making alliances, talking about each other, sneaking around. I don't think it's very intellectually challenging or physical, and I'm just a very physical person. MSN: The expeditions so far, I have to say, seem a little straightforward as they're shown. Are they more complicated when you're actually doing them?
Cheryl: They're absolutely more complicated. We would go up trails that were barely one person could fit up and they're rocky and there's trees and they're straight up. I mean talking straight jungle. ... And we have to stay together as a team. You cannot get so many feet apart, so everybody had to stay together. There's snakes, there's alligators. It goes pretty quick on the TV, but it was pretty grueling. MSN: Getting back to your being chosen as an officer, why do you think you were one of the people selected for that originally?
Cheryl: You know, J.D. and I, the first night we were on the ship, I was just sitting back observing people. And I observed J.D. and I talked to him. He was an older guy, he had his act together with his job. He was in the Marines or Navy or whatever he was. He lived in Alaska. He lived on the land. I know what that means to live off the land and to be able to be self-sufficient. He was kind of laid-back. So I kind of viewed him as a leader person. So when we got on the first crew together, the black crew, and we started organizing what would happen, I was like, "Hey everybody, let's let J.D. run the ship here. Let's let him give the directions. All of us will have a part, but let's let J.D. be the last say." So when it came time to pick a captain, it was only natural that everyone pointed to him. And then I believe because of my actions earlier, he chose me as an officer.
MSN: How do you think you did as an officer?
Cheryl: (Laughs). Well, you know I followed the rules. That's me. I'm a rules follower. If J.D. told me, "Go tell them A, B and C," then I went and told them A, B and C. In the real world, I would have been a great officer. In "Pirate Master" world, people disliked me because they don't like rules. So there's some things I would change if I had to do it again.
MSN: Like what?
Cheryl: I'd be less strict. I'd try to blend in more with the crew. I'd try to be more of a crew member than an officer, maybe break some of the officer rules. I don't know. But the position I was put in as an officer and ordered by J.D. to alienate ourselves from the crew I figure hurt me in the end. MSN: Now talking like this, you seem much more friendly and relaxed than you came off on the show. Do you think the show portrayed you very fairly?
Cheryl: Oh, I think it portrayed me very fairly. That's how I am. I'm very serious. I'm a district attorney. I don't mess around. I put people away for their lives. I try to be less boisterous on the show. There were a lot of other people who were camera-happy and would like to talk loud and be obnoxious. I tried not to be that person, which a lot of times I can be. But no, I think it portrayed me how I am. I'm a helpful person. I don't B.S. I just do what I'm asked.
MSN: What kind of prosecution do you do?
Cheryl: I specialize in the prosecution of sexual assault, mainly kids, and whatever else they need, domestic violence, murder. I've been around for a while so I usually get the bigger cases. MSN: One of the things that really struck me is I've watched a lot of reality TV, and you're one of the few attorneys I've seen on reality TV who actually argued well.
Cheryl: (Laughs) You know the pirates' court was great for me because that's what I do every day. The first time I had the black spot, it was actually pretty funny, because the crew's gripe supposedly was I looked down on them as an officer and that I was better than them. So when I did my speech, I went out, and instead of standing like everybody else, I sat with them and looked with them eye to eye and levelled to them, and spoke at them and not above them. And I just learned all that from being a district attorney.
MSN: And you totally milked Joy and tried to work her in both your arguments. I'll admit it. I was hoping that you got voted out the first time, and you changed my mind. I was like, wow, that's kind of cool.
Cheryl: You were hoping I got voted out the first time?
MSN: Yeah. Cheryl: Why?
MSN: Because I didn't like the Joe Don regime being all heavy-handed and above everyone else. Cheryl: Right. So you blamed me?
MSN: I blamed you as part of that, unfortunately for you.
Cheryl: I think that was everybody else's thoughts also. That was Joe Don. That wasn't me. But I saved myself.
MSN: Well, Sean saved you by deciding not to vote for you. What was your relationship with Sean like that he would take a bribe to vote for you and then decide not to vote you off?
Cheryl: Well until I saw the show, I had no idea that they paid him. But you know, Sean is just a great guy. We had kind of the same attitude that we're there to be physical and there to win challenges. We're not there to get into the petty B.S. that's on normal reality shows. I was the one who appointed him to be cook, which is a great job, and kept him from having to do other stuff. That made him happy because he was a cook and he did a great job. But we weren't that close, so I'm very surprised at that point he would do that for me. MSN: Now one of the things I've seen you dinged for when I read message boards and such is you've interviewed a bunch of times and you brought up your profession a bunch of times. Do you think that was problematic at all for you?
Cheryl: My profession?
MSN: Yes, saying "I'm a deputy district attorney this and I'm a deputy district attorney that."
Cheryl: Well the crew members didn't know I was a deputy district attorney. They didn't know that. So I don't think that dinged me at all. The crew members thought I ran a counseling session for victims. Nobody on the show knew I was a district attorney.
MSN: Which you do also, or you just fudged a bit?
Cheryl: No, I just made that up. MSN: Nice. Before I was asking you and I don't think you answered, why is it that lawyers who come on reality programs don't seem to be good at arguing?
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Cheryl: I'm not that experienced in any of the lawyers who have been on reality shows. The last "Survivor," I think, had an attorney on it. But one thing you have to learn in criminal law is you have to be short and sweet. You get to the point. You make your one, two, three points and you get there and you get done. A lot of attorneys, and I think that's why people don't like them, is they run their mouths and they just go and go and go and go. So I don't know. "Pirate Master" is really different. It set us up so that we were able to argue and put us in a situation that was more conducive to making and argument rather than just going out and giving a speech like you probably would have to do on "Survivor."
MSN: Now when it came to your final episode, you said in an interview you didn't bid on the pardon at all. Why didn't you? Didn't you know you were at risk, having just narrowly escaped the week before?
Cheryl: You know, I really struggled with that. My mindset was J.D. had the most to lose. He was the one that people wanted off the most and he had the most money. So in my mind, I'm thinking he knows I have $11,000 or whatever. He's going to bid $12,000. I actually wrote on a piece of paper my bid, $8,000, just as a whim. I'm thinking I'll either get it or I won't. I held it in my pocket and the more I thought about it, I thought, "Do I want to get rid of that money? Because the next time I may be gone. Or is it just my pride. If they want me gone, they'll have me gone." I just decided, you know what, I'm not going to bid, and if it's my time to go, it's my time to go.
MSN: Did you do much working of the crew beforehand to try to persuade people? How much of that goes on, because we don't get to see much of what happens between the black spots being handed out and the actual Pirates' Court, it seems like.
Cheryl: You know, the first time I got a black spot, I didn't do that much recruiting or arguing or whatever because Alexis, it was all pretty much decided she was going to go. She didn't want to be there, so there wasn't any worry. I actually asked for the black spot. I was like, "Go ahead, give it to me. I'll explain stuff." So I wasn't really worried about it that time. Now the second time, not much. I didn't do much. People already had their minds made up. There were people who had their plans in action and it was going to happen. I could have done more but I didn't.
MSN: Now that you're back to reality for some time, how has this experience affected you in your everyday life and work? Do people recognize you as having been on "Pirate Master"? Is it tough to try to put bad guys away and they're like, "That's Pirate Cheryl" or whatever?
Cheryl: No, it hasn't really affected me in my job. I think it's affected me in my life, in the fact that it's reaffirmed for me that how I act on TV or in life is how I want to be. I'm straightforward. I'm honest. I do what I think is right. I think some other people on the show are going to have a tough time living with themselves and that's up to them.
MSN: How do you mean? Cheryl: I think people do things on the show to get attention and they have no problem lying, they have no problem backstabbing, they have no problem saying they'll do whatever it takes to win, whatever that is, and they'll do that. If that's what they want people on national TV to see, and that's what they want their family and kids to see, then good for them. But I would not want that, and I'm glad that wasn't me. MSN: But isn't that part of being a pirate is breaking the rules and lying and cheating and stealing? Which, incidentally, why would a prosecutor want to be in that sort of realm?
Cheryl: There's two different perspectives. Pirates of course went and stole from the rich and stole from the people who had money and all that. But the pirate crew themselves took care of each other. That's what we did. You watch out for each other on your ship. You made sure everyone ws treated ok. If you were hurt, you were paid for it. You worked as a team on the ship. So there's a difference that I drew. I was looking at it more as the pirate crew, we work together and we watch each others' backs as opposed to I guess, people like Jay who are out to get anybody and everybody.
MSN: Now of the three captains you experienced, how would you compare and contrast what they were about?
Cheryl: You know, that's a tough comparision. First J.D. and Ben and I, we got thrown into our positions really fast and we had to do a lot of stuff. And we were just trying to figure out what to do and we got a lot of animosity because of that. Then you get Azmyth who comes in and he's all free-spirited, let's just split it all up evenly and I'll be happy, and one big happy family, which made the crew happy. And then you have Louie, that's just full of hatred and just doing things on hatred. I believe as the captain started going, the ship started falling apart. You have to run a ship. You have to do certain things and those captains were trying to make everybody happy instead of being a captain, and things were falling apart. MSN: What was the hardest thing for you in this whole experience?
Cheryl: The hardest thing for me probably was to be judged for something other than who I am or what I can provide. I wasn't judged because I was physically strong and could help them. I wasn't judged because I was smart. I was judged because they were jealous of me, and that was difficult for me, very difficult.
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